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Where are my friends... (use of PaddleNet)

 
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pbates



Joined: 13 May 2010
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Location: North Vancouver

PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Where are my friends... (use of PaddleNet)  Reply with quote

Thanks to Denise, Heather, and Dan C for being my friends today on the upper seymour.  Sure wish I had been invited on that Cap trip, or that lower seymour trip, or that chilli trip, or that squamish trip.

Upper was a tad low running at 3 on rock, but it felt a bit lower, pin balling, but still it was probably better than the Cap trip today that i was not invited on.  

I feel so lonely....
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roscoe



Joined: 03 Oct 2010
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Location: Mission

PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Philly,
You're always more than welcome to paddle out here on the Chilli when we head out there. Just drop a text or email and we'll set something up. Be sure your battery is fully charged and don't worry about hitting rocks at these levels.
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Einar



Joined: 19 Nov 2009
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Location: North Vancouver

PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:10 pm    Post subject: you were lucky you weren't.. Reply with quote

You were lucky you weren't invited on the Cap trip  Shocked

By the way fellow readers/posters: if you want to go, we gotta know.
Most trips achieve go-status with 3 paddlers... and then, They-Just-Go.
The 'need' to advertise abates.

This has been the subject of a couple of discussions lately (conducted via... email)

While calendar Club trips are open ended invites within their group, the more the merrier.... it was hoped that Paddle Net would create more grade 3 canoe trips open to the general public., helping paddlers up grade.

But it has been noted that trip organizing recently seems to have started devolving back to standing email lists (and now texting)

Especially with the increasing ability to paint grade 3 rivers with paddlers in mixed groups of kayaks, inflatables and plastic canoes trips lately are achieving lift off with fewer phone calls, in smaller tighter groups, the way it used to be before PNet.
It's not that paddlers are exclusive, it's just that they are a bunch of lazy thumb typers.
2 Yes replies = so lets go!

Not sure what the answer is but at the end of the day You Gotta Put Your Name Out There.

As Ian has just done.

(Who's Ian?)  Very Happy
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yboat



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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Location: East Van

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I would for sure benefit from more use of the public forum. As a guy with a schedule that doesn't allow for much paddling, I'm out-of-sight-out-of-mind to paddling friends. Since I rarely get out, I understandably don't get any e-mails or texts as a part of any regular groups of likely suspects.

Same for anyone who is relatively new to the scene (though I agree it's on them to put themselves out there and seek opportunities/friends/mentors).

But when I might have a window of time for a quick paddle, I wish that PaddleNet would give me a better sense of who was active where. Part of the idea was that everyone who's interested in ww canoeing would be able to get a better sense of various activities (i.e., beyond the club) - lessons, the Valley, Cap groups, etc.

With today as an example, I could just e-mail directly with Ian and Heather to go practice at the Seymour, but I'd like a wider group to know we're thinking about it, and that practice at the Seymour is a good option these days.

P.
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yboat



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Location: East Van

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cycle seems to be this - people identify their group of regulars and build e-mail lists, with their activities/interests then becoming less visible to the community; eventually more people say "hey, add me to your list"; and then a lot of people find themselves getting too many messages, including on days they can't paddle; and then eventually someone says, "let's just try a forum that people can check, without exchanging all this e-mail"...

That's more or less the history of the "winter paddling list" and PaddleNet. E-mail began generating too many messages and reply-alls among too many people - on a weekend when one couldn't paddle, they'd still receive a bunch of exchanges about paddling. The idea of PaddleNet was to have the info available for those who could paddle, without getting unnecessary e-mail and without worrying who's list you were on.

Einar, please add me to your e-mail list for Cap runs!

P.
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Amy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I naively thought people just weren't paddling....! ha!

For those of us who work different schedules that see me either in town and free to paddle or gone for a month at a time the forum is the easiest way for me to find paddlers...!

I'm around and free until July 6th when I head north so if anyone wants to come up to Squamish and paddle any day let me know - lower Cheak is pretty fun at high flows!

Amy
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pbates



Joined: 13 May 2010
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Location: North Vancouver

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Ahhhhh.... Reply with quote

Ahhhh...  You guys realize i was joking around right?
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yboat



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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Location: East Van

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, it's not about you, we know you have friends and get out canoeing, but it just happened that you touched a nerve...

Knowing of a lot of trips, lessons and events that are happening these days but don't show up at all on this forum for the ww canoeing community, I've been thinking that PaddleNet isn't really doing what we hoped it would do - which is connecting club newbies with a broader circle of paddlers, and, seeing what's possible, encouraging them to practice skills, find mentors and paddle new runs. (And I've also been thinking "where my friends" and also "damn, I coulda gone on that Cap run had I known!")

I think PaddleNet works best when it's active, and also if the most active members and moderators are paddling frequently, and are connected with both club events and non-club trips, so my hope is that at some point some newer keeners looking for opportunities will come along and make better use of it.

Your post just happened to fit with this behind-the-scenes conversation, so I thought I'd go with it.

P.
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Pierre LaPaddelle



Joined: 24 Jan 2010
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Location: Vancouver Island

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yboat wrote:
. . . I've been thinking that PaddleNet isn't really doing what we hoped it would do - which is connecting club newbies with a broader circle of paddlers, and, seeing what's possible, encouraging them to practice skills, find mentors and paddle new runs. . .

Well, of course, we've pretty much abandoned PaddleNet, not because we don't like it, but because when we post trips (or pix, or news, or courses) no one responds.  One original notion was that, sharing PaddleNet, we might forge a strong, integrated community in the SW corner of our province.

Ah, well. . .  

So we've gone back to our cumbersome local e-mail list, (over 100 names, including a lot of dead wood!)  And we make wide use of a couple of Facebook pages.  Neither approach works completely;  some prefer one method, and some the other.  

But we almost always get a quorum for trips -- butt-boaters and single-stickers;  old-farts and young punks;  duffers and hot-shots. . .  Typical Canadian diversity on display.  Club affiliation is a null-issue.

We've concluded that effective communication is more of a creative art than an exact science!  You pan some gravel;  if you find nuggets, you stay on that creek.  Otherwise, you move on.

Rick


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